I was surprised at the lively thread (well, lively for this modest site) my last post generated, especially since I was only reporting the observations of others about ageism on Facebook. Instead of continuing the comment thread, I thought I would address a few points raised by commentators in this follow-up post.
Yule, anne, and rr mentioned their cordial reception by and relations with the “pioneers” of Facebook denizens: the young. They also noted that in the off-line world (shouldn’t I be saying something like the “real” world?) had the same quality of cordiality, of give and take and receptiveness to each other’s views and worlds, real and otherwise constructed.
Well, going by anecdotal evidence, which is the basis of opinion (and that’s all I am airing here, rather than sharing knowledge knitted together by the chain link of facts) I can say that in some corners — probably the more leafy ones — in the world, there is a big yuck factor when it comes to the interactions between young and old, seeing how they have been segregated the last couple of decades in the suburbs.
Where I live, in a suburb in a rather privileged enclave in the US, a teenager can live for weeks, or even months, without ever having to come into contact with a senior citizen — unless that senior citizen happens to be his or her father raising his second, or even third family…. Though there are old people scattered around in the neighborhood (and you can pretty much guess where they live by the un-remodeled state of their houses and landscapes), kids don’t play on the streets here, nor do they take on jobs such as mowing lawns or walking dogs. No, they are usually too busy being shuttled by their parents from one educational activity to another, or, if they are driving, they go from one party to another, working on their drinking skills with great enthusiasm.
So yes, the old are aliens to them, and if they do visit their grandparents in the retirement community where the hallways smell or the sounds coming from the acute care wing sound not quite human, they are bewildered and frightened, and so they will react with disgust.
As for the generation that is their own parents … don’t get me started on that one. Okay, that was a rhetorical turn, so here we go: The insularity of this community (and others like it) is such that many of its residents believe that somehow they are exempt from the passage of time. So, yes, to answer Yule’s second comment in the previous post, many of the adults teenagers see in this community have failed to assume their authority as grownups, let alone as parents.
I keep hearing about parties int he neighborhood for teens where the alcohol is freely supplied by parents who are either afraid to exercise authority or are desperate to hang on to some notion of friendship with their child. I keep seeing women in their fifties in the shopping malls dressed in clothes that were designed for their daughters, while their daughters saunter behind them, at some distance, in a pair of ordinary jeans and a plain T-shirt.
All this is, of course, anecdotal — but since I am caught in the twilight zone of middle age myself, with old age looming visibly on the horizon, I am not partial. And I hope that I am not in denial either. Still, my children have seen their share of adults who are that only nominally and on their driver’s licenses. They know this is not right, and so they must have a few questions about respect and authority that are challenging to answer around here.
I can definitely say that my children were not happy about my foray into Facebook. Though one of their friends made me his “friend” as soon as I signed up, it was as a joke, as I found out later.
The irony of this is that I was part of social networks before they even knew what the Internet was. I was the one who taught them about cyberspace…. But, given the examples of the social networks of the physical community in which they live, I wouldn’t be surprised if they, too, would have joined some group or other declaring that old people suck. What other recourse do most of them have for rebellion, in spite (or, rather because) of their privileges and resources?
I am not saying this to condone hate speech or to make excuse for the “kids acting up.” Instead, I see in this yet another symptom of some larger disease gnawing at the structure, leaching the strength from the bones.
We, the old folks, have the right to make Facebook our own, as much as the “kids” have a right to make a space for themselves in the world we keep so closely guarded from them.

GREAT post, Maria. (I feel conspicuous jumping on this first again, but there you go!)
There’s something deeply wrong with how we segregate generations — even age-groups within generations. Is it “normal” that most “middle schoolers” would rather die than be seen with a little kid, for example? Potentially, what we’re doing is training children to hate or fear (sometimes the same thing) everyone who is below or above them on the food, er, excuse me, age chain.
I blame the schools, or the school system. It’s a factory-based model, like an assembly line. We take kids and isolate them in “age based grades” for 12 years (more if you include preschool), and then wonder why they think old people are weird or younger kids are …whatever? How would adults feel if we told them that they have to spend half or more of their daytime hours with people of their immediate age only?
I’m sure there’re plenty of other things/ institutions to blame. But if I were chief wizard, I’d start with the schools. That factory model is soooo late 19th/ early 20th century…
Re. the old being “aliens” to the young: I read in CEOs for Cities (http://www.ceosforcities.org/conversations/blog/2007/07/need_cheap_care_for_aging_pare.php) that you can outsource cheap home care for ageing parents.
Hey, if we keep this up, maybe one day we can divide everyone age-wise by continent! :/
QUOTE: 07.29.07 | connected
Need Cheap Care for Aging Parents? Try India.
Imagine this: Your aging parents are increasingly frail. You are exhausted, and you don’t have enough money for nursing home care. That’s the dilemma Steve Herzfeld faced. His solution? Outsource their care to India. There his mother gets daily massages, physical therapy and 24-help getting to the bathroom for about $15 a day! His dad, who has Alzheimers, has a full-time cook and personal assistant. And drugs are plentiful, costing less than 20% of their cost in the U.S.
The three have long-term visas that will allow them to stay through 2011.
Read this story by Laurie Goering, foreign correspondent for the Chicago Tribune. (And weep for any cuts the paper’s foreign bureaus will likely experience as good newspapers continue to take hits.)
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(unfortunately, the link CEOs provides to the Chicago Tribune doesn’t work…)
Oh gawd… what next? I guess there was a reason I started today on that rough guide to bhangra
Moving to India? I don’t like the idea. This could work for some severely disabled people that need around the clock intensive care. But retiring in a foreign place isn’t exactly fun (well, maybe for a bit). Massages, food, cheap drugs, whatever, but what about their social and emotional needs? I hope people take a step back and really think about this before sending their parents off.
Indeed, Paul … the social and emotional needs are “without value,” or priceless! I cannot imagine moving my parents, or imagine myself moving in old age, to an utterly foreign place to me. It wasn’t easy when I had to do it as a young woman, and I am surely not going to do it as an old one!